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Post: #2 (ID: 1756)  Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2002 4:44 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0) Post subject: |
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On 2002-04-09 07:44, hereintheuk wrote:
For a stats geek such as myself this is quite a welcome addition to the site.
Personally i think it makes interesting reading but then I would.
Ian I have just one question, are these figures compiled from individuals IPS numbers and if so how do u reconcile these with the individual countries - take myself for example - do u know that i visit using virgin.net or is it someother way.
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Sorry, it's not that clever  I log all web accesses in a monthly file. The program just scans the web-log file for the current month in realtime, (so it will take longer to run as the month progresses!), filtering out all entries for non-charliewolf sites,
and all images, and all entries that don't actually exist (i.e. a request for http://www.charliewolf.net/dsfksdfksdfkdsfdsfsdf will not
show in the stats)
IP's are converted to their DNS name with a reverse lookup, and grouped simply according to the name returned.
So your virgin.net visit will show up as a ".net" entry, not a ".uk" entry.
Similarly, any IP that doesn't resolve into a name is shown as "unknown"
So these stats are only really a guideline.
Incidently, I keep all web logs - I have about 3 years worth of logs here, which covers every charliewolf.net access ever made, so if some useful stats function is decided on, we have the logs to feed it.
Finally, you may be interested in the page:
http://monitor.charliewolf.net/referrers/ (the final "/" is IMPORTANT!)
, and the more general (http://monitor.charliewolf.net/) for all sorts of other stats
Jamie
P.S. There are around half a million hits per month on the server, so expect these real-time log processing functions to slow down a bit to the end of each month!
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| Post: #3 (ID: 1758) Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2002 9:00 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0) Post subject: |
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Yeah, "hereintheuk"... what Jamie said.
I'm looking after the very important flag bit.
We can split it down still further, but this would take a lot more time to code, format-wise (i.e. take into account two levels instead of one - virgin.net instead of .net). For the moment, we'll just leave it as it is. The info is accurate, it's just that certain entries will get included under the more generic .com, .net, and .org tags. The info is hopefully still of some interest in it's current form.
For your info, I believe the reason we have such a wide range of visiting countries is because of our email database. The topics discussed in these emails get picked up by the search engines, and are then accessed by people searching on those topics. |
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| Post: #5 (ID: 1760) Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2002 11:19 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0) Post subject: |
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Like "hereintheuk", I'm a bit of a stats geek, and feel it a shame to hide that info from people. I plan on extending the stats section to eventually include lots of other statistics.
Obviously, it would be easier to use a hidden page counter, but offering people the choice of viewing that info for themselves is the right thing to do, in my opinion.
It's just a personal preference of mine. |
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| Post: #6 (ID: 1761) Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2002 1:06 am Karma this post: (+0 -0) Post subject: |
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On 2002-04-09 21:39, mr table wrote:
Wouldn't it be easier to just use some sort of hidden hits counter?
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ARGGGHHH. You deserve to be shot for a cowboy comment like that!
Fume!
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| mr table Wolf Warrior Joined: 05 November 2001 Total posts: 72 Location: Aberdeen Gender: Unknown Karma: 0
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| Post: #9 (ID: 1765) Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2002 1:18 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0) Post subject: |
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On 2002-04-09 22:19, Ian wrote:
I plan on extending the stats section to eventually include lots of other statistics.
It's just a personal preference of mine.
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So, will your programme be able to tell what drink we're consuming at out time of visit, what shoe size we have? You could sell that to the beeb and make a small fortune! |
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| Post: #12 (ID: 1769) Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2002 4:17 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0) Post subject: |
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On 2002-04-10 13:23, hereintheuk wrote:
Big brother is watching
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Closer than you may realise ! : http://bigbrother.bishopston.net/ - system monitoring for this web site (and others!)
See this page to see how much space Ian is using for his audio, and how much space is left on his audio disk etc.
See this page to watch the CPU usage go up after 11.00pm as the charliewolf shows are automatically batch-converted from asf to realaudio.
See this page to see how long the server has been up since reboot, or whether the web server is active (bit pointless that one... think about it!!
etc.etc.etc.
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| Post: #13 (ID: 1770) Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2002 4:26 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0) Post subject: |
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On 2002-04-10 06:35, hereintheuk wrote:
Thanks Jamies for the link - certainly made for some interesting reading.
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No problem.. It's still very much a work-in-progress, and currently, nothing there scans previous month log files.. You can see how I host about 30 web sites here (ish) so the monitor section is still a bit messy.
(currently, monitor.charliewolf.net does the same as the generic monitor.bishopston.net - which is why you see non-charliewolf data on this section)
Cheers
Jamie
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| Post: #14 (ID: 1771) Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2002 4:33 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0) Post subject: |
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On 2002-04-10 12:16, mr table wrote:
Sorry, but unless its my own site (which has a lovely bravenet private counter) I dont really judge a site by stats. Rather than by grading a sites popularity, a counter should (in my VERY humble opinion) be used as a guide to whether the sites being used or not. In a good week, we get around 200-300 hits, which, at the moment, we're fairly happy with
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You misunderstand me. It wasn't a comment on counters, it was a comment on your counting methology.
There are 6 million reasons why using some third-party "graphic" counter (loaded by IMG SRC..) is flawed - whether its visible or not.. . actually worse than that, its CRAP.
Any web designer who thinks this is good way to count doesn't understand the protocol, and is hence a cowboy!
Its irrelevent what stats you gather, or whether they are public or private etc.etc. but the ONLY way to gather these logs is from server-created stats - i.e. server log files, or counting-patches direct in the server code... And even these methods can be unreliable... but are much more reliable than the "loaded image" thing.
Incidently, your "bravenet private counter" will have missed *every* visit I've made to your site!!
Jamie
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| Post: #15 (ID: 1772) Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2002 5:32 pm Karma this post: (+0 -0) Post subject: |
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On 2002-04-10 12:16, mr table wrote:
Sorry, but unless its my own site (which has a lovely bravenet private counter) I dont really judge a site by stats. Rather than by grading a sites popularity, a counter should (in my VERY humble opinion) be used as a guide to whether the sites being used or not. In a good week, we get around 200-300 hits, which, at the moment, we're fairly happy with
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It's just a bit of fun trivia, whilst also refreshing your memory of various flags around the world!
It's not there for you to make a judgement on the site. Ignore it, if you think it's superfluous. Your indifference will no doubt be recorded when I do "section specific stats". |
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| Post: #17 (ID: 1775) Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:21 am Karma this post: (+0 -0) Post subject: |
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I didn't take offence.
Ah right. So when your site is 'old', you won't even bother with counters? Hmmm! Interesting.
Is this an "ignorance is bliss" sort of deal? |
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| Post: #19 (ID: 1777) Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:41 am Karma this post: (+0 -0) Post subject: |
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It's entirely up to you, of course. There are plenty of sites out there that don't offer stats publicly, so do whatever you feel is best.
I'm just winging it, really. |
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